Parents need to educate their children on the dangers of this.

Do you think Spice should be banned?

Once it's banned, the basement chemists will just change a molecule and market it under a different name so that isn't going to work. I fully agree 100% that this stuff is extremely dangerous and if it wasn't for our rediculous marijuana laws then this stuff would have never been invented. For christ sakes, more people die each year from peanuts than have EVER died for marijuana. I don't smoke it but I'm smart enough to realize that it can cure or treat almost ANY health issue. There is a 686 page pdf file called "grannys list" that lists all the scientific peer reviewed studies to back that statement up.

Parents and kids need to be educated. Yes drugs are unfortunately part of our society but this stuff is as easy to buy as a candy bar. We even need to show ID to purchase Sudafed. Ban it ASAP.

Agree totally that we need truthful education. Banning it wont work, they will just create another form of spice that is one molecule off then re package it and call it something else and that version will be legal. It's like a dog chasing it's tail. Banning it wont work. BTW, I'm 100% against the stuff but if you learn how these designer drugs are made and what happens when one is made illegal how they change the moluecular structure then re package it under another name then you will understand that banning this wont work.

Mark, its shown to cure A LOT of things. I don't have the time to go through all 686 pages of peer reviewed scientific studies on everything it can cure. But read the PDF document and you will learn A LOT of information.
http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/GrannysList-Jan2011.pdf

Mark are you gonna say the Harvard researchers are lying when they released a study that says marijuana can CURE certain kinds of cancer? You scanned that, you obviously didn't READ it. Keep reading and you might just learn a thing or 686

Harvard researchers are lying? No way! ...Kevin, please be smart enough not to believe everything you find on the internet. At any rate, the question is should K2 spice be available for legal sale. How could anyone think it should?

Synthetic marihuanas should be illegal, some already are (JWH-018 -073 -200 and CP-47,947)<<http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr112410.html;. Anyone caught selling any other type of JWH or CP should and can be prosecuted under the Federal Analogue Act.<<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Analog_Act;

However there is also the point to be made that simply because something is illegal doesn't mean that the problem will go away. Only an active and involved parent can help steer their child away from the menace of drugs to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. Making all types of these synthetic marihuanas will not take them off the streets or make them disappear from society. Prohibition only serves to punish those who would sell the drug to others, and those dumb enough to be caught with contraband, however, cocaine heroine and marihuana are illegal yet misguided youth lacking proper role models in their upbringing still consume these en mass every day.

I'm not saying they are lying I'm saying youre giving way too much credit to the study. There is not nearly enough evidence to say yes marijuana cured cancer. In the study or showed it suppresses some cancer cell growth and nothing in the way of determining how long the remission lasted. By the way your statement said all health problems. Good work on the couple of cancer strains out of thousands.

Absolutely not!! Not because it shouldn't be removed.. because that is the exact wrong approach. This product has never been legal to sell, it has never been usefull as an incense, and it has never been anything other than an addictive drug purposely pushed on us and our children. It was purposely made to be addictive and it was purposely marketed as a drug instead of what it was disquised as. It should be recalled because it kills people and the poison control center should of removed it over 4 years ago when the first kid was killed by it here in the US. There are numerous other agencies which can have the product pulled from the market and get our money refunded, the least of which is the DEA. How our DEA is overlooking felonies such as selling fake drugs and dispensing drugs without a liscense is a mystery. Somehow this organization hit the US hard and fast.. and don't let them try and tell you it was legal to sell as a drug. They never sold any incense in their stores before, during or after this product arrived and i find it hard to beleive 1000's of store clerks and gas stations would all at the same time start advising people to smoke it as a drug without it being part of the marketing plan. Make no mistake.. this was placed on the market for only one reason.. to get yet another illegal drug to sell while at the same time associating and distancing itself from the real marijuana which they want kept illegal. Charge them with murder and be done with it!!!

The best sort of pressure is societal in nature. If the merchants of this crap can see that their own businesses will suffer if they choose to start selling it or continue to do so, they'll get the message. There's no point even discussing the legality of a product. Local pressure can affect the marketplace, and merchandising is about nothing else.

In my opinion, the most effective ways to combat this are:

1) Educate, Educate, Educate - parents and children must be made aware of the existence and effects of these products.

2) Boycott - if the community wants this to leave the store shelves, they can easily do it by completely boycotting any businesses that sell it.

3) Address the root cause, not just the end result. Identify why people resort to drugs and work on that. Of course this daunting task should fall primarily on the parents' shoulders. They know their kids better than anybody else.

I don't think legislation works. The drug makers are several paces ahead of the extremely slow legislating process at any time.

Just my 2c.

I agree with you Cristian.. Banning it, or attempting to ban it is just playing into their hand. They expected this and actually planned it this way. They have literally thousands of plants they can use in these mixtures. And i mean real aromatic plants not just chopped up leaves with no smell that has to be sprayed with perfum in order to work. No they expect this banning.. and they've been doing this for 4 years here in the US this way. Don't play their game!!! They somehow bypassed our DEA and got them to look the other way while they commit their crimes.. but we have stronger more effective agencies now that they put it into the real marketplace that they did not count on. Let's use the agencies that should of had this removed a long time ago. Let's charge them with the crimes we can already prove, and let's have this poison removed from the market simply because it is deadly and not marked as such with proper labeling for poisons. Banning never works on anything.. and all that is going to do is end up costing us trillions of dollars trying to fight it in the black market. I say let it stay in the market untill i can tell everyone how to make their own non addictive, non poisonous smoking mixture out of safer plants. Ever hear of skunk cabbage? It's harmless to smoke.. won't get ya high, but it does have a pleasant sweet taste. Course why would anyone want to make their own when they can spend a hundred times more to have these guys make it for you??

Have any of you heard the words "Naked Zombie" in the last few days? No? Then, Google it.

When are we going to talk about the bigger problem, Bath Salts, in four of five years?

How many kids are going to have to jump off an overpass (into oncoming traffic) before Bath Salts finally get the K2 treatment? Not that another prohibition will do any good. Welcome to the future, where teenagers use the interweb to share knowledge. First it was glue, then it was cough syrup, now it's incense and bath salts. What's next?

BTW, How does sending someone to jail for possessing incense jive with living in a free country?

Sammy.. if they enforce the laws against selling fake drugs then it would cover bath salts, spice, or whatever they call the drugs. It dosen't matter what they are using or calling it.. it's still illegal to sell a fake drug. And it is still illegal for these people to be selling items for purposes they were not labeled for and supposedly not intended for by the manufacturer. Course we all know that disclaimer of "not for human consumption" is only there for plausibility. There is no doubt that the store owners know it is not to be sold as a consumable product. They sell it no other way!! Do you see any other incense or bath salts from legitimate manufacturers of the real products in these stores? NO!! That's because they don't really sell incense or bath salts. Only the ones used for drugs. The crime here is and always has been the act of selling the products illegally. They could put gasoline in a bottle and call it air freshener or nasal spray too and make huge profits too.. but would it be legal? A drug by any other name is still a drug. How bout we tell children how to eat ciggerrettes to committ suicide? Should only take 3-4 to kill an adult when eaten. The crime here isn't in picking a name for the product.. the crime is selling any product as a drug and then telling people how to use or make it to get high off of. That is and always was a crime. In this case it was deliberate and intentional and marketed that way by the manufacturers. That's a crime

What no one else cares that our children are being controlled by murders with some very deadly drugs? I do.. i say we put them out of business and in jail. I say i can make a better product out of hemp that not only smells much better it actually works as an incense. And i can guarantee that if someone smokes it they won't die.. heck they'll only get a headache. I can make a real product that is safe. I don't need to compete with you drug dealers with real drugs either. I've got the real smell... and that's what you are marketing is a smell. I think mine will be far more popular than your crap that kills people. And i don't give a damm if hemp is only illegal because cops can't tell it apart from the cannabis that gets you high.. i'm gonna grow it anyways. I can tell them apart. Hemp-tall telephone pole with sparce branches.. marijuana bushy chrismas tree shape not nearly as tall. You got a problem telling the difference? If you can make it illegal simply for resembling the real weed then you gotta make the fake crap that looks nothing like weed but kills people and claims to be synthetic weed. Sythethic my arse.. it's poison disquised as incense claimed to be similar but not even close to hemp. I got the real thing and i'm not afraid to use it. I'll put these S,O.B's down in tennesse out of business if no one else can.

We have already started a boycott page. "Like & Share"
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-SpiceK2-Sellers-in-Huron-Valley/302850126465180

I find it very humorous that anyone from GP can believe that prohibition works. How much of the sweet, sweet booze consumed in this country sloshed its way across our shores during prohibition? I mean, don’t you find it odd that the GPYC was founded in 1914, as an “iceboating club”, then in 1929 their large clubhouse was built? Sure it was the gilded age, but the club weathered the depression easily enough.

Prohibition doesn’t work. Never has. No law of man will ever stop the meeting of two greatest lovers of all-time; supply and demand. Prohibition only serves to create an opportunity for economic profit.

Do I believe this zombie producing crap should be banned? No. I don’t think it’s going to stop anything because now that a market has formed, it will continue. Law enforcement agencies will declare a war on spice and rally for bigger budgets and we will foot the bill for an ineffectual campaign to stomp out this menace.

I am GP For Life and I believe in personal responsibility, personal liberty, and free markets are the American way.

Great Idea Jeff! I would like to see a list started of Fenton area sellers of Spice/K-2. Boycotting a store that sells these products is the way to them know we don't approve of these products. In order for this to work you must inform the store owner. If you see Spice/K-2 at the checkout counter - leave the items you were going to purchase on the counter, inform management and go shop somewhere else.

Here's an update: Citgo has asked local gas station owners to stop selling Spice: http://dearborn.patch.com/articles/citgo-asks-gas-stations-to-stop-selling-k2

Nik and Jeffrey, great idea. I would love to walk in and start to buy gas and see it and say, oh sorry, I'll go somewhere else, I have no problem doing that, maybe if enough people would they would get the hint.

Maxwell, glad you're not my dad. How stupid are you to say something like that?? I feel bad for your kids if you have any, nice caring attitude.

You mean the same Citgo that is a nationalized state-owned company of Venezuela? The same Venezuela run by Hugo Chavez who doesn't necessarily nice things to say about the United States?

No thanks.

Here's an excellent public service announcement I saw about how Spice can destroy the lives of many. If they would show this in school to the youngsters, I'm sure we would have very few problems with spice in our schools. Even the public ones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLLLTntnqjk

The public rallying cry to ban K2 is something to behold. It should've probably happened years ago, but hey, better late than never right?

When are you people going to start caring about cigarettes? They kill 400,000 people per year. How many people does K2 kill a year? 6?

I worry all this publicity about a harmful activity, especially in the way of public protest, will just make more rebellious teens and pre-teens seek out these substances. It's like broadcasting that a banks door is unlocked at night, people who normally would never even think about doing this stuff will become informed about it. I have never heard of this substance abuse until recent activity in the news but young people do not listen to the news.... Thinking if they see a lot of older people picketing outside a store they will be drawn to whatever they see older people protesting and try it. This protest might be opening a whole new market for these sellers.

Anyone just wondering what we are talking about here. THIS STUFF IS SATIVA NOT K2 OR SYNTHETIC WEED. It is a drug!1 always has been .. and has always been illegal to sell and tell people how to use it. This was murder of not one.. but several people from this stuff already. It has absolutely no use for incense i can't make with hemp that would be 100% SAFE. It is not now nor ever been legal to tell anyone how to use any product as a drug... and they need to arrest the makers of this stuff here in the Usa and in UK and elsewhere around the world. It is worldwide. AND the terrorists are making huge profits by killing our children. AND all the while their parents are over in Iraq and afghanistan protecting their families. It's just not right!!

I cant believe what Im reading. So lets boycott any place that sells spice or k2. Then we should boycott every liquor, grocery store and gas station that sells liquor, cigarettes, or beer. I guarantee you that those items have killed way more people in this world than any illegal drug. Oh but the government says liquor and cigs are legal. I would rather hang out with and drive next to a pot head than a drunk.....without a question.

Not a question of whether drugs should be legal here TOM Can we now sell poppies as air fresherner? It's a matter of whether we can legally sell narcotics to teenagers without telling them of the consequences... again i say no...

Once marijuana is legal (thanks Michigan Supreme Court) no one will want this poison anyway. This stuff is not only dangerous,but most of it is consumed by minors unable to buy the real thing. Anyone who wants marijuana need look no further than the closest bar. Order a beer,wait a few minutes,then follow your nose out front or around back. Really,how naive are you prohibitionists anyway ? Marijuana is a benign recreational drug enjoyed by millions of Americans daily,so why are these people still called criminals. Enforcing these asinine laws is a waste of meager law enforcement resources,crowds our jails & breeds disrespect for the law in general. Crimes against people & property should be prioritized (assaults,murders,rapes,robberies,burglaries,etc.) with so called "victimless crimes" (drugs,gambling,prostitution,etc.) made the lowest priority for our local police. I've been smoking marijuana daily for 45 years & I wouldn't even consider trying "bath salts" or any of the other exotic sounding toxic chemicals being foisted off on the gullible & unsuspecting morons. Since people will try virtually anything to get high the popularity of this crap should surprise no one,but allowing it's unregulated sale shouldn't be allowed anywhere at any time,period !

@Birmingham mom.. you are absolutely right about that. I do have a vested interest in this. They are called lori and anna and they are my daughters. I will stand up for yours too if that's not an interest of yours. I do no agree with making anything illegal in order to prevent a behaviour. I've taught my kids to not put poison into their mouths all my life. Yes there are thousands of plants you can smoke to get high off of in one way or another. Mint is relatively harmless if you know which ones to pick. The problem here BI mom isn't that there are things out there that are posionous. The problem is breaking the law and telling someone that a product is safe to be used as a drug when it's not. The problem is lying and telling them they are selling one product and substituting a powerfull addictive narcotic. That's the problem I could make cotton candy with heroin too.. but could i sell it as artwork? Think about it. Banning products isn't the answer.. they are setup to transfer this into the black market as soon as you make it illegal. And anyone can grow this legally in their yards now. They are making over 50 billion a year off this crap by my estimates... and if you want to give them ten times that then just ban it and see what happens.

@Brash, lets make pot legal so no one gets hurt...(sarcasm)

Today's news:
"A Phoenix, Ariz., woman put her 5-week-old baby on top of her car in his car seat and drove away, apparently forgetting he was there, not even noticing when the seat fell off the car and landed in an intersection, police said.

Neighbors discovered the baby on the roadway, still strapped to his safety seat, which was lying on its side. Luckily, the baby was unhurt.

The baby's mother, 19-year-old Catalina Clouser, who allegedly had been smoking marijuana, was arrested and charged with aggravated driving under the influence and child abuse, police said.

"We believe that whatever she was under the influence of was the deciding factor in what did happen to this child and we're extremely happy that for the baby this turned out well and the baby is going to be OK," Officer James Holmes of the Phoenix Police Depart said.

Clauser, her boyfriend and their friends had been smoking marijuana earlier in the evening at a nearby park, but the boyfriend was arrested on suspicion of aggravated DUI when they went to a store - with the baby in the car - to get beer, according to police.

Upset that her boyfriend was arrested, police said, Clauser went to a friend's home and smoked more marijuana......"

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/mother-drives-5-week-old-top-car-164426051--abc-news-topstories.html

Why waste all the effort in banning, shut it down why is it even being made...? And if kids are obviously getting it why isn't there an age limit... just shut down the manufactuing of it... F the laws what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong... shut them down... its kind of selfish for us to say ban it in michigan don't ya think, what about everywhere else....

Government works? Lmao really... sorry but I Don't agree with some of the ways the government works... Yeah I understand this product isn't illegal but when I comes down to what its purpose is for which is only to make someone money, there shouldn't be an issue with shutting a business down... it doesn't have a single positive use..

Oops looks like I struck a nerve...my bad... so u have connections that's pretty cool thanks for taken care of the issue... good thing your here....

Never thought of it like that I totally agree.... I see now why I differ from you... sorry I have a juvenille view that's just me, u don't like it let's turn your opinion about me into a topic then we can really step into my world.... by the way outta all the ones commenting on the TOPIC u felt the need to discuss my opinion thank you, but lets not forget the question @ hand...